Feb
27
2014

The Eddie Mueller Story

85 comments written by Joshua Trentine

In my most recent blog post I entered an article from IFBB Pro Dennis James.  This article discussed the inclusion of Super Slow reps in his training.  Running this article produced a very predictable response from the “H.I.T.” crowd then also a fair amount of outrage from the orthodox High Volume community.  It’s funny how people respond to this philosophy and I do the oddest things to entertain myself.  :lol:  Anyway, from my experience and from those in the past we have seen some very impressive results…

So why the outrage?

- Josh

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The Eddie Mueller Story
[an excerpt from Ken Hutchins, Super Slow The Ultimate Exercise Protocol]

In 1986, Ellington Darden trained 19-year-old Eddie Mueller for 10 weeks.  His results are documented in The Nautilus Diet Book as well as in several other books by Ellington Darden.

I encouraged Ellington to use Super Slow during Eddie’s program, but he was not yet ready to concede that Super Slow should be used to the exclusion of all the other protocols.  Ellington respected my advice, admitted most of my arguments were correct, but could not base his actions entirely on my word.  I could prove nothing.  I had no data to speak of.

Ellington incorporated 12 exercises in Eddie’s program.  The exercises were performed on Nautilus leverage equipment.

Eddie gained 16 pounds – from 160 to 176 – in just ten weeks.  His body fat reduced 2.2 pounds.  Therefore, his net muscle gain was 18.2 pounds.

Since the 1986 project, Eddie trained himself.  Although he is a Nautilus enthusiast and is aware of proper training principles, Eddie cannot train himself intensely enough to maintain his body weight at 176.

In May of 1989, Eddie asked me to train him, but I was too busy.  I suggested that he move to Dallas and repeat the 1986 program with Darden.  Eddie went to train under Ellington’s tutelage in the summer of 1989.

Before Eddie’s 1989 project commenced, Ellington phoned me to discuss his selection of exercises.  We agreed on a program of exercise using Super Slow exclusively.

At the outset Eddie weighed 173 and his body fat had not appreciably changed since the conclusion of the 1986 project.

After five workouts, Ellington phoned and stated that Eddie weighed 184.  Eddie was only ten days into the project.  Eddie complained that the Super Slow barbell squats were horribly intense.

At the four-week point Ellington gave me another update.  Eddie now weighed 192 and had not measurably altered his body fat.  Ellington remarked that it was fortunate that they conducted the program during the summer months when Eddie could wear shorts, tee-shirt and tennis shoes.  If it had been conducted in the cold season, keeping Eddie clothed in warmer clothes would have been a costly nuisance.

Ellington was extremely pleased with Eddie’s progress.  Eddied gained 19 pounds of muscle in four weeks with Super Slow compared to the 1986 project that yielded 18 pounds in 10 weeks with the standard protocol.  The Super Slow results are yet more remarkable when considering that the last 16 pounds took Eddie’s muscularity to levels heretofore not reached and to extremes closer to his genetic potential.  Rate of growth must slow as it nears ultimate potential.

Eddie’s before/after results are seen below.

big and small eddie

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avatar Marvin February 27, 2014 at 2:54 pm

“I encouraged Ellington to use Super Slow during Eddie’s program, but he was not yet ready to concede that Super Slow should be used to the exclusion of all the other protocols.”

Curiously, 25 years later, even after the dramatic results from the 1989 case study, Dr. Darden still doesn’t promote the exclusive use of the Super Slow protocol.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 7:57 pm

Marvin,

I can’t speak for Darden….all I know is that I personally do not think that using SuperSlow with barbells and conventional equipment would be a good way for me to make sustainable gains over the long haul… there are just too many mechanical issues especially when people try to take load beyond a certain point.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:32 pm

Marvin,

I’ve also seen where Darden said if he was to go back in time and make a run at competitive bodybuilding he would choose to train with Ken Hutchins 2x/week down there in Florida.

Joshua

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avatar Marvin February 27, 2014 at 9:16 pm

I guess we agree, at least to the extent that I found your protocol difficult to use with a lot of free weight exercises. Never felt like I got much out of it.

While it is interesting to read about what you are doing, it is largely of ‘academic’ interest until your machines show up in my local fitness center. I’m not holding my breath for that to happen.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 1:02 am

Dr.Darden interview:
Opinion of SuperSlow®

What’s your opinion of Hutchins’s SuperSlow?

Ellington Darden: I like SuperSlow. I apply many of the techniques in my workouts each week. Without getting into the finer points of the SuperSlow philosophy, I want to say simply: Ken Hutchins carefully studied repetition form, which was and is a subset of HIT, and turned it into a full-fledged business. And I’m glad he did.

If Arthur Jones’s specialty is intensity, then Ken Hutchins’s forte is form. I’m grateful that I’ve spent as much time as I have with both Jones and Hutchins.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 3:02 pm

It is my opinion that the best and most sustainable responses will be had using the technology that supports the protocol.

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avatar Carl February 27, 2014 at 10:16 pm

My opinion is that it is hard to get a sustainable response from technology that isn’t accessible and affordable. I’m sure that a Porsche Panamera Turbo S provides an amazing driving experience. But that has no practical relevance to what I drive every day.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm

Carl,

My responsibility ends with product development and education, I really cannot be concerned with who has access or how they are going to get it….I’m currently interested in doing a line that will actually cost 3 to 4x as much to produce…there are no short cuts, if people want to enjoy and optimize…… with this type of training and frequency they are going to need the technology….to me it’s really a moot point when once you have it you can charge $100 for 20 minutes of your time in the right location…the stuff pays for it self many times over.

Joshua

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm

furthermore what is “affordable”….I went out and bought a line 15 years ago, it’s now grossed millions of dollars….my current line in my east side location supports 8 households and the lifestyle I want….I couldn’t afford not to have this gear……i see too much small thinking in the HIT community…

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avatar Carl February 28, 2014 at 12:47 pm

All relevant, I suppose, for those who have training studios, or want to start a training studio. But I have no interest in that, I’m just a potential consumer of such services. And if they don’t exist in my area, or are priced too high, that definitely cools my interest. Small minded? Maybe your expectations are about what most people are willing to do to train optimally are just unrealistic?

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 2:53 pm

Maybe??? but that doesn’t change my course….my own selfish interest is to make this this what I know it can be and a vehicle for the HIT community to actualize that which they only hypothesized about before.

Innovation will never happen if any of your concern is my consideration.

And in the end no matter what you do people are going to say “too expensive” …I’ve heard of people who complain about $30 gym memberships being too expensive.

The people who get it and can see the ramifications will pay and if not…so what??? I have it for me still.

Joshua

avatar Scott Springston February 27, 2014 at 3:04 pm

Eddied gained 19 pounds of muscle in four weeks with Super Slow compared to the 1986 project that yielded 18 pounds in 10 weeks with the standard protocol.

==Scott==
Regardless of what method he chose I doubt that Eddie gained and actual 18 or 19 pounds of muscle in 4 or 10 weeks. That’s a hell of alot of real muscle, not fat, to gain in so short of time unless he were starved like Viator/Jones before the Colorado experiment of using steroids. If he was making gains like that he’d reach his potential in about 4 months and we know no one is reaching their potential in that short of period, it take years and years.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm

Scott,

I know you frequent Dr.Darden’s site, if you question the validity of his results I think you should ask Dr.D about it, I’m only reporting his results….it is an interesting case study especially because Eddie was not starved prior to the experiment….. and from the photos i can see every bit of a 20# gain….actually looks like more to me.

Now, I have no way of knowing what I’m about to say other than from my work with bodybuilders, but I do not believe it would have taken him 4 months to reach his genetic ceiling….it appears to me that where he reached in 4 weeks is right about his genetic cap…this is further supported by the fact that he never exceeded what he did in this 4 week period.

Joshua

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avatar John Parr February 27, 2014 at 3:22 pm

Boom!

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:10 pm

bomb john?

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avatar Paul Marslans February 27, 2014 at 3:35 pm

The B.I.G book and routines I classic and I still have my copy!

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:10 pm

Paul,

Me too!!!!!

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avatar Daniel Kirsner February 27, 2014 at 6:04 pm

Do you agree with the “30%–50% of the weight you’d normally use” Dennis James comment as well?

FWIW, I’m an HIT non-Jedi, and I see nothing objectionable about slow reps…

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Daniel,

Good news about you being a HIT non Jedi…i won’t have to use my light saber on you :-)

This is a really good question and deserves an entire article as a response, but I will say that with equipment that has good resistance curves that you may have to begin in that realm but you could also end up using more resistance 100+% compared to your previous, conventional training….I’m actually gathering some numbers for a case study about this.

Ken Hutchins discusses this in more detail in :” THE RENAISSANCE OF EXERCISE” -A Vitruvian Adventure-

I don’t think I can answer this in a general sense, or in short form….equipment does matter and so does specific style of performance.

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avatar Dennis Rogers February 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm

WOW. A picture is really worth a thousand words.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Dennis, that picture is pretty profound

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 27, 2014 at 8:35 pm

i have never seen better results from any person in a 4 week period

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avatar Scott Springston February 28, 2014 at 7:43 am

but I do not believe it would have taken him 4 months to reach his genetic ceiling….it appears to me that where he reached in 4 weeks is right about his genetic cap.
==Scott==
Ok, just for the sake of argument, assume Eddie did reach his genetic cap in about 4 weeks ( which I feel is impossible) why are you still training hard hoping to make more gains and get stronger. Doing what Eddie did, and I know you’ve trained long and hard, you would have reached your potential a long time ago. We’d all just need to do as Eddie did for 4 weeks or so and the rest or our training career would just be maintenance training as we couldn’t get any bigger after about 4 weeks.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 11:15 am

Scott,

I can look at the guy and tell you almost certainly that he’s about as big as he can be….regardless of how he got there.

Again if you question the validity of the results you are pinning down the wrong guy.

A) I’m not Eddie Mueller

B) I am 100% sure of my hormonal status and I can’t comment on anyone else, my test doesn’t run high so I’ve never seen rapid gains…I cannot speak for anyone else.

C) It has been well documented that like Casey Viator….Mueller could not train himself in the capacity that happened with supervision….I certainly can and do it consistently over time…and yes, CPU feedback and excellent equipment helps big time.

D) I don’t think you can have a sustainable, consistent program training this way with only using sub-par equipment….too many sticking points…i don’t have that problem.

E) I’m twice as old as Eddie was in this experiment and i continue to see steady gains into my mid 40′s, why would i stop? i’m not the age he was and i’m going to guess my test levels have never been what his were in that experiment.

F) I do not think my genetic disposition is anywhere near as good for building muscle, but time is a VERY, VERY powerful lever.

if you have the info and can lever up over time you can do great things

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avatar Brian Liebler February 28, 2014 at 7:45 am

I believe much of the success of the “Big Routine” is the indirect or spillover effect of the selection of these exercises. I think it was Arthur Jones who explained that it’s like throwing a pebble into a pond and watching the ripple effect vs a large rock. This routine is like throwing a huge bolder into the pond.
These Super Slow squats alone are killers!

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 11:24 am

Brian,

I’ve never really got along with SS barbell squats…I’m actually performing them on a prototype squat machine currently….alternating between that and RenEx Leg Press.

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avatar Lucas February 28, 2014 at 1:23 pm

Josh,with conventional equipment like barbell squats would you still use a 10/10 speed ?Would you perform a bit more sets (maybe 3) and move somewhat faster??

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 3:24 pm

Lucas,

Discussing rep speed is a moot point if you don’t have feedback and a system to control…It will be all over the place in many cases.

In my opinion the distinction has more to do with muscular loading…either I’m performing a type of rep where I’m using stored energy and non-muscular torque to bring me through the lower turn or I’m not…beyond that equipment will dictate expression to a great extent.

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avatar Jeffrey Muehl February 28, 2014 at 4:00 pm

Joshua,

Every post I make has a reference to Project X. Just got a new build this afternoon for TSC it is another improvement. Hope to wrap TSC up in the next three weeks or so.

The new dynamic build will use the TSC code that we have. Probably, from an exercise standpoint the build you have of dynamic now functionally might already be there, but it really is just proof of concept kind of thing.

Whatever happens with all of this, I really look forward to be up and running with the dynamic stuff in my exercise studio in the next three months or so. I don’t want to train clients, and I don’t want to train without it.

I don’t have any interest is doing things without it or being around this stuff any more. It is all a “simple” concept/simple tool at one level, but I think it is a big deal from a training a standpoint. Without it, the training looks backwards in comparison — especially the training of clients.

Matt Spriggs would just say I am plugging a product I am working on and use that as an argument to invalidate Project X.

Whatever, mainly I want it for myself. If other cans benefit maybe it is worth sharing. But I am not to excited about all that is involved in doing that. There has already been a lot of drama/emotion/and b.s. getting things this far along.

Talking about 10/10 5/5 or whatever like that defines the velocity of the rep or how the rep looks really is a bit silly. One 10/10 can look very different then another 10/10. Without computer feed back I don’t know how you really talk about rep speed or define the mechanics of what is going on. It is a moot point and I am tired.

So I will get some computers hooked up in my studio and change the way I do things with clients. At least I won’t be living in the stone ages with this stuff anymore.

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avatar Joshua Trentine February 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm

Jeffery that’s my point trying to measure speed with seconds is never going to cut it

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avatar DukeMatisse March 2, 2014 at 12:58 am

What was the routine like? How many times a week did he train and with what exercises?

Thanks.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 3, 2014 at 4:38 pm

Duke,

I will have to look into that.

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avatar Chris March 3, 2014 at 1:38 pm

Josh,

i feel this is one of best if not most enlightening posts put up here.

It explains your position clearly and answers most if not all of the doubters questions.

However it is noteworthy that many aspects of RenX protocol can be applied to individuals like me who only have access to basic equipment.

For me, one just needs a few more sets to get the job done.

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avatar Brian Liebler March 4, 2014 at 4:50 am

In the SS Protocol Ken Hutchins listed a “Double Decker” thigh routine which was Leg ex/leg curl immediately repeated back to back. I’ve done this in the past and the thighs perceive this as one set.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 3, 2014 at 4:41 pm

Chris,

Yes, some of the generalities are universal, other points apply specifically to RenEx, of course things must be adapted to what is available.

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avatar Joe H. March 4, 2014 at 7:53 am

LOL, HIT has Viator and SS/RenEx has Mueller.

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avatar Joe H. March 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm

RenEx can’t handle me, I am the truth.

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:38 pm

can’t handle what exactly ?

your alternative well-thought out scientific real World proved position- ?

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:37 pm

all protocols have there poster boys- so what.

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avatar Joe H. March 4, 2014 at 7:59 am

Josh, neither you or Hutchins will ever be Nautilus.

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avatar Lucas March 4, 2014 at 1:25 pm

No,you’re right.They won’t be.They’ll be even better.Much better.

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avatar Joe H. March 4, 2014 at 1:32 pm

Keep searching because you haven’t found it yet.

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:38 pm

nor have you

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avatar Scott Springston March 4, 2014 at 8:47 am

Ellington was extremely pleased with Eddie’s progress. Eddied gained 19 pounds of muscle in four weeks with Super Slow compared to the 1986 project that yielded 18 pounds in 10 weeks with the standard protocol. The Super Slow results are yet more remarkable when considering that the last 16 pounds took Eddie’s muscularity to levels heretofore not reached and to extremes closer to his genetic potential. Rate of growth must slow as it nears ultimate potential.

==Scott==
Sure Ellington would be pleased with someone reaching his potential in a matter of weeks so quickly but as you seem to indicate above, Eddie, unlike you, was a super freak like a Viator and you are twice his age etc. Ok, so keeping the thought in mind that Eddie could gain muscle so quickly that he would reach his full potential in weeks or months what use is that to the vast majority of us? Eddie was a super gainer so the question of whether he used REN-EX or did a Charles Atlas workout really isn’t relevant to the majority of those reading this. It doesn’t prove a thing about REN-EX or super slow. All it shows was that Eddie was blessed with muscle building traits like a Viator that we all wish we had. The fact that you or Ken brings this article out is indicative that you are as desperate to prove you methods are the best as much as Jones or Ellington was. I’ve always asked the question as to why the likes of a Jones or Darden or whoever uses genetic freaks for their poster child and the answer is that the average guy like you or me wouldn’t show dramatic results hense not many will buy into the program they are selling. To his credit Ellington was open about this when I asked him, he didn’t try and double talk his way out of it. Was it a fluke that Jones had Viator , Coe or Sergio promote his machines or methods? Did you notice how the X-Force examples all had superior genetics? Now you seem to be doing the same thing with Eddie.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 4, 2014 at 12:52 pm

Sounds like you have beef with Dr.D not me, the Eddie Mueller story is not RenEx, but a review of the history will make it easy to see the relationship…. I posted because people’s heads were exploding when I put up a story of an IFBB Pro who claims to use SS reps….just showing some more historical precedence….it just may be that things aren’t as outlandish as people might try to make them seem.

I actually think I’m a far better example of the type of consistent results that can be had over time, but you are right was not a RenEx study.

I do this it funny how you want to come here and act all rambunkshus yet you are a kitten over on Darden’s.

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avatar Lucas March 4, 2014 at 12:52 pm

Springston,I think that the article clearly shows superior results using super-slow cadence.

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avatar Scott Springston March 4, 2014 at 2:28 pm

I do this it funny how you want to come here and act all rambunkshus yet you are a kitten over on Darden’s.

==Scott==
I’ve said on Darden more than once how the Colorado experiment was crap , I talk about how Nautilus isn’t the end all to working out and that one can get just as good as results using a set of dumbells , talked to the issue of Ellington using only the gifted to show how great X-Force was etc etc.I can on and on how much trouble I raise over there. I raise all kinds of ruckus over there but you must not see it because it’s not about REN-EX. I don’t pull my punches there or here. I challenge you here on this because you are doing the same thing you condemn them for. Taking a genetic freak and saying gee look, super slow was better. Mr. Lucas has already bought into that with his comment. Point being is that Eddie Mueller is not a subject to gauge results on. He’s a freak and can gain doing just about anything. If you want people to believe in REN-EX post pictures of someone with average genetics who has gotten reasonably big just doing it the REN-EX way. Not someone like you who got big before he ever heard of REN-EX. Do that and you’ll have done something the others have never been able to do.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 4, 2014 at 4:39 pm

So Scott Springston demands photos of someone who got muscular from SuperSlow, BUT not TOO MUSCULAR. LOL…OK…

And I don’t count because I’ve only been doing KenHutchins’ protocols since 1998 and the more evolved derivation called RenEx….and also considering I’m seeing the best results of my life at age 43….but somehow I don’t count either…??? What about all of the people we’ve prepped for contests…. they don’t count either?

These are your “punches” you are not pulling…I wouldn’t even call this a slap fight…but sure Scott whatever you need…

Let me see if I can find a more average example out there, I really enjoy reading about people who trained with different derivations of Super Slow so I’ll string together a few blasts from the past for you.

Joshua

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avatar Carlito March 4, 2014 at 7:33 pm

After a considerable amount of time researching on the subject of Intensity applied to Strength Training, and being an admirer of Mr. Arthur Jones and the “gang” of the Nautilus Sports Medical Industries and Medx, and Michael Mentzer
Hard School of Intensity (Heavy Duty) and everything related and or connected to Hit Machines (including the brand promoted here) I have found something that surprised me, but in the good way. I am fully aware that there are two “schools of thinking” struggling, but maybe, just maybe, this could help to “make some peace”. What do I find? I found that
DR. ELLINGTON DARDEN actually TEACHES SUPER SLOW PROTOCOL
but doubling the time!! NOT 10/10 BUT 20/20!!!! or 2 repetitions in 80 seconds!
That is HYPER SLOW PROTOCOL (HSP)!!! ((:O
OoH Yeah!!! he did in the year 2012 at the Hit Resurgence Conference (Many Thanks to MR. DAVE DURELL who filmed it)
Now if it doesnt work 10/10 why would 20/20?
Interesting!! See it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nw7Gq1L3Sk

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:47 pm

sorry that video was dreadful for so many reasons.

Most noticeable that after 2 so called intense 20/20 reps he could still easily do a regular rep, probably many.

So much for inroad in this example.

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 7:59 am

Always room for more spin at RenEx…

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 9:53 am

Let’s see some proof that Josh has made any gains over age 40.

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm

lets see some evidence from you, that shows that you are qualified to assess said proof

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 9:55 am

I’m scary to the RenEx money making machine, what will you do as I expose all of your lies?

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm

not succeeding yet

when do these startling exposures start

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 10:26 am

Josh still using your business as a dating service? Haven’t seen the RenEx gals come to your rescue at Dr.Darden’s site for a long time.

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:49 pm

how is this relevant ?

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 10:27 am

Superslow is a LIE! Superslow is not safer than other reps speeds unless you are doing something silly. That also is a Superslow LIE! The superslow exercise machines with the falloff cams are a joke. A single barbell with sufficient weights and corresponding dumbbells will run circles around RenExxx machines. That too is another blatant LIE with ZERO proof. I want Superslow buried. For far too long Superslow has hindered HIT! Oh! I forgot….they are no longer a part of HIT! Thankfully!

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:52 pm

something i finally agree with.

No offence Josh, whilst i believe properly designed equipment by said design can be safer, i dont think you can top the barbell for results.

Joe H – why, for you why ?

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 11:00 am

You best start checking the comment sections more frequently as my posts are going to become extremely nasty beginning now.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 5, 2014 at 11:13 am

^ Scary….

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 11:56 am

Don’t be scared just be ready for what you read each morning and realize it has been posted all night long.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7tHN3fcpr4

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avatar Chris March 5, 2014 at 1:52 pm

fuck nasty, just honest opinions and facts.

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avatar John K March 5, 2014 at 11:17 am

Josh,

The one at 10:27 is Marc’s post on Dardens last night word for word……

It is a sickness I think.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 5, 2014 at 11:22 am

ohhhhh…..i see….Joe H, I have a prescription ……

LOL…I’ll stop there…too easy

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 11:53 am

John the RenEx robots like yourself are too dumb to realize the truth.

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avatar John K March 5, 2014 at 11:28 am

Its all starting to make sense now….

This individual has some serious issues to the point that they could actually be dangerous………

More likely though, they are only tough when hiding behind a keyboard and screen.

Unreal….

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 11:55 am

John, you are one of the idiots here that don’t notice, care, or are smart enough to figure it out what RenEx is about.

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avatar Scott Springston March 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm

Let me see if I can find a more average example out there, I really enjoy reading about people who trained with different derivations of Super Slow so I’ll string together a few blasts from the past for you.

==Scott==
Josh, sure you’re making gains now using REN-EX but people can make gains doing just about anything if they work hard and smart so that doesn’t prove much. Whether it’s true or not whatever you’ve accomplished in the way of muscles many will say you gained most of that prior to REN-EX. Same as with the likes of a Viator. He was already pretty huge before Jones ever met him. If you can document an average fellow with middle of the road genetics who trains only the REN-EX way from the get go and goes from a guy with no real muscles showing to significant muscular gains you will have done something that Jones and all the rest of the muscle building guru’s have not done.

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avatar Joshua Trentine March 5, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Scott,

My gains at 43 are what they are or have been sustained by what i did 20 years ago, that makes no sense at all.

When I trained orthodox HVT i competed at 159#, this year i stepped on stage at 202#….i’m no Viator.

Sorry man, I don’t have any proof that will ever please you, I really only aim to please my customers and selfishly make sure i keep improving.

Let’s face it….doesn’t matter what I put up the reaction is the same, I have helped the most average dudes i’ve seen place top three in BB shows….maybe one day i’ll throw that up so you can tell me how they don’t count either.

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 1:16 pm

More smoke and mirrors. Have you trained a person from beginner to competitive bodybuilder or did they come to you for posing, diet, and finishing work?

I so enjoy the half truths.

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 1:33 pm

Josh I noticed you failed to post BF% for comparison because you were no where near a lean the 2nd time and therefore, you full of shit. Once again RenEx smoke being blown.

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avatar John K March 5, 2014 at 12:20 pm

Joe H,

You have not a clue as to who I am or what I follow or anything else for that matter. I am not a robot for anyone or anything.

I also don’t spend any time whatsoever on things I hate. I value my time. Perhaps you should look into spending time doing something you like or something of value.

Of course I know that you are incapable of that.

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avatar Joe H. March 5, 2014 at 1:18 pm

I love you sweetie.

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avatar Joe H. March 6, 2014 at 8:16 am

You are RenEx losers, I will continue on, indefinitely as I so enjoy watching the light weights here pretend they are serious weight trainers.

Josh I think I heard the door creak, better go help let in the old man or woman here for their advanced weight training session. LOL

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avatar Carlito March 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm

Congratulations, Gentlemen, the War is Over!
Dr. Darden does use Super Slow or Hyper Slow as a valid technique of Intense Training! (as we ALL can see and hear in the video)
The man who worked so closely with Art Jones at Nautilus and author of near 100 books on Hit and Fitness accept its validity and uses it as an example of modern training variation.
There is no need to struggle anymore, caballeros.
Thank you Dr. Ellington Darden.

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avatar Joe H. March 6, 2014 at 8:13 am

Another comment from a functional retard at RenEx.
SS was used as were many other techniques by Dr.Darden on this particular subject. Pointing at one and only one as proof of efficacy for SS/RenEx is just another example of RenEx smoke. I wonder how many years it will be before you idiots wake up like the original SS team and move on.

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avatar Joe H. March 7, 2014 at 9:57 am

Hey Carla you’re making assumptions such as Dr. D only uses SS as he does supersets, drop sets, negative reps, etc.. Don’t be like the head RenEx monkey Josh thinking you have all the answers because like Josh you don’t.

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avatar Ed March 6, 2014 at 10:50 pm

Here’s the problem: there were no absolute controls before, during or after the alleged Eddie Muller “experiment”. Was his bloodwork taken to verify if additional products, legal or otherwise, were used? This was a big reason for the failure, IMHO, of the so-called Colorado experiment. No one ever monitored what Viator did outside of his workouts at the Nautilus facility.

I do know the so called success with Keith Whitley was anything but. Mr. Whitley — reportedly 6’1″ and 290lbs at his peak — was already competing in Weider contests prior to appearing in Dr. Darden’s books, much like Mike Mentzer was already competing in bodybuilding contests and juicing, successfully, prior to Viator introducing him to Jones.

A little objective thinking here, folks, as it is pretty obvious this is all about emotional loyalties to HIT. Not saying it doesn’t work, but, to what extent? No one, including the Ren-X advocates, can honestly answer. Because you simply don’t know who was taking creatine, steroids, HGH or whatever in these ‘success stories’.

Anyone remember Bill Phillips’ BFL contests? Turns out most of the competitors admitted to juicing. Worst example Dr. Jeffrey Life and his use of HGH…like training bfL style was going to create that type of transformation?

So, lets not defend something unless can say you have objective facts to support your position.

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avatar Joe H. March 10, 2014 at 8:04 am

RenEx an adventure in futility for the healthy but for the infirm or untrained it is a miracle!!!

LOL, RenEx the next step in failure…

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avatar Dany deVita March 11, 2014 at 5:04 pm

Hey Johanna Hymen, at least Josh have the balls to show his muscles to the world, why doncha show us yer hard gained mussles? Show us a video, Johanna, walk the walk dont talk the talk, you schmuk, youre a hysterical twat thats for sure Johanna, Be yerself a living proof of what you are preaching, cunt… (:D

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avatar JoeH. March 12, 2014 at 1:25 pm

Dany (sic?) all you RenEx monkeys can say is “Look at Josh” and post a picture. You people here think you’re intellectuals but I don’t think so. Your response is pathetic and predictable.

Let’s take a look at Hutchins. He’ s been involved in SS and now RenEx (its the same) for 35 years give or take and what is his physical condition? Should we follow a fat, old man who has ALL the answers but can’t use the knowledge himself?
Please post a picture of the FOUNDER and not the RenEx MOUTHPIECE/POSTERBOY.

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avatar JoeH. March 12, 2014 at 1:31 pm

P.S.
Danielle keep looking because you haven’t found a system worth a shit. Try one of those fad programs you see on the infomercials. Good luck little guy.

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